Wednesday, February 13, 2008

प्रक्षोभक वक्तव्ये - कायदा काय सांगतो?

प्रक्षोभक वक्तव्य केल्याबद्दल राज ठाकरे व अबू आझमी यांच्याविरुद्ध पोलिसांनी गुन्हा दाखल केला आहे. भारतीय दंडविधानाच्या कलम " अ व ब' कलमांनुसार दाखल करण्यात आलेल्या या गुन्ह्यासाठी आरोपीला अटक करणे गरजेचे असतेच का, पुढील कायदेशीर कारवाई काय असते, राज ठाकरे यांनी जामीन घेण्याचे नाकारले तर काय होऊ शकते आदी मुद्दयांचा हा ऊहापोह...

महाराष्ट्र नवनिर्माण सेनेचे प्रमुख राज ठाकरे यांना अटक होणार का याविषयी गेले काही दिवस मुंबईसह राज्यात सर्वत्र चर्चा सुरू असून, वातावरण तापले आहे. त्यांना कधीही अटक होईल, अशी परिस्थिती आहे. या गुन्ह्यासाठी आरोपीला अटक करण्याची व पोलिस कोठडीत ठेवण्याची गरज असते का, याविषयी कायदेतज्ज्ञांचे संमिश्र मत आहे. "या गुन्ह्यासाठी अटक आवश्‍यक असली, तरी ती तांत्रिक स्वरूपाची असते आणि न्यायालयात लगेच जामिनावर आरोपीची मुक्तता केली जाते,' असे काहींचे मत आहे.

""कायद्यापुढे सर्व जण समान असतात. सर्वांनी कायदा पाळला पाहिजे व त्याचे उल्लंघन करता कामा नये, नाहीतर त्यांना न्यायालयात याचे उत्तर द्यावे लागेल,'' असे फौजदारी वकील माजीद मेमन यांचे म्हणणे आहे. ते म्हणाले, ""कायद्याच्या उल्लंघनाबद्दल निवडणूक आयोग व मतदारही जागरूक असतात, याची जाणीव राजकीय पक्षांनी ठेवली पाहिजे. महाराष्ट्र नवनिर्माण सेनेच्या कार्यकर्त्यांनी तोडफोड केली, तर त्यांच्यावरही गुन्हा दाखल होऊ शकतो. त्यामुळे लोकशाही मार्गाने आंदोलन करण्यावर सर्वांनी भर द्यायला हवा.''

अटक झाली तर जामीन घेणार नाही, असे ठाकरे यांनी ठरविले आहे. त्यामुळे मात्र पोलिसांची पंचाईत होऊ शकते. अजामीनपात्र गुन्ह्यात पोलिस आरोपीला जामिनावर सोडू शकत नाहीत. आरोपीला अटक केल्यावर दंडाधिकाऱ्यांपुढे हजर करावे लागते आणि न्यायालय योग्य त्या अटींवर आरोपीची जामिनावर मुक्तता करते. जामिनाच्या अटींची पूर्तता न करता ठाकरे यांनी जामीन घेण्याचे नाकारले, तर मात्र त्यांची रवानगी न्यायालयीन कोठडीत होईल. त्यामुळे त्यांना तुरुंगात हालवावे लागेल. ठाकरे यांना तुरुंगात पाठविल्यास मुंबई व राज्यात हिंसक प्रतिक्रियांची भीती असल्याने जामीन घेतला नाही, तर पोलिसांची अडचण होणार आहे.

सध्या विक्रोळी पोलिस ठाण्यात राज ठाकरे यांच्याविरुद्ध गुन्हा दाखल झाला आहे. त्या खटल्याच्या सुनावणीस किमान चार-पाच वर्षे लागू शकतात. या गुन्ह्यासाठी जास्तीत जास्त तीन वर्षे तुरुंगवास आणि दंड किंवा नुसता दंड अशी शिक्षेची तरतूद आहे. त्यामुळे ठाकरे यांना खटला पूर्ण होईपर्यंत तुरुंगात ठेवणे शक्‍य नाही. त्यांनी जामीन नाकारल्यास लवकरात लवकर खटल्याची सुनावणी घेण्याची विनंती सरकारला न्यायालयास करावी लागेल.

- उमाकांत देशपांडे
राज ठाकरे यांना अटक होईल, असे वाटते का? आणि अटक झालीच तर काय होईल? आम्हाला जरूर लिहा..

22 comments:

vj said...

hi there
i was from north india but i did my education from mumbai and then went 2 uk for higher studies. after completing my studies i could have setteled in uk but i thought i have been with mumbai for around 19 years how i can leave her. and now im in mumbai but i have seen people from mns r telling people like me 2 go from mumbai.
u tell me is it fair

sachin said...

hi...i am sachin zinjurke...from beed maharashtra...but still i feel whatever MNS activist are doing in mumbai is wrong....i think first we r indian and then we r maharashtrian...don't divide india on language issue..our constitution has given rights to every indian can stay anywhere in India...we hav to thing abt those maharashtrians who r working or studying out of maharashtra...
we hav to think abt how much there parents r worried...

my Lib. said...

hiii...this is suhas jangam.from pune.
raj thakre is not wrong..for maharashtrian i know itis not fair for migrating person,s but i am with THAKRE. because i want our mumbaie.
pls help us.........

Anonymous said...

I am maharashtrian. I feel for poor north indian people who suffered because of this issue. I think north indian politicians are equally responsible. They are trying to go all out against Raj thackray. E.g. Amarsingh has become faviorite pet for media talking stupid. Ask north indian politicians to keep quiet. Things will eased out very soon. Remember for every action there is equal reaction.
I have request for north indian politicians and celebreties. Dont try to dominate in mumbai. Local people out there needs more respect.

Mrunal said...

I think whatever Raj thakare's MA NE SE is doing is 100% wrong,.. whetever be their point who gave them the right to destroy public property like Buses, news papaers etc.
And as per 2 comments above we are first Indians and then maharastrians. Even today many maharastraians are staying in different state raj thakare should think about those and then make his points.
WHY THERE IS NO PROCEDURE IN LAW TO STOP THIS? I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LAW WHICH WILL STOP THIS VOILENCE.
I am 100% maharastrian but even am not with raj thakare he doesnt have any right to do this.

Mi Marathi said...

We all know that there are thousands of Bangladeshis are leaving unofficially in Mumbai and India. For voting purpose our politicians don’t even hesitate to provide them rationing cards. What MNS & Raj Thakre is doing about it?

Instead of asking to our own Indian people to leave Mumbai & Maharashtra, why MNS doesn’t come in front and identify the issues where we can support our MARATHI young men and women to grow on all fronts let it be profession, sport or art. In fact majority of them are doing good in academics, sport, television and different professions. But those who don’t want to do hardwork, don’t want to take extra efforts to learn new skills they all will gather under MNS’s umbrella.

Guys. Please don’t do this. What about Shivsena’s Hindu Ekta ? MNS want to divide & rule. SHAME. Let’s all get together and say NO to this.

And whatever is the point, why MNS is creating chaos with public transport & news papers ? Does it not affecting the MARATHI Janata for whom MNS care so much ???

Vinay said...

hi... I m Vinay...
I think Rej Thakry doing is absolutly correct.
Today SP leaders are saying mumbai is not for maharastrians only which is not fair.
Mumbai is the part of Maharashtra.
Outsiders must respect the local language and culture.
We all know Utter Pradesh and Bihar are the economical backward states where development is not as progressive as other states. This is one of the main reason of migrants. So the bottom line is Maharashtrians are felling insecure because of failure of UP, Bihar's goverment policy.
Today Rave party kinds of things are happening in Pune only because of outsiders.
So whatever Raj Thakry is doing is absolutly relevent.

Anonymous said...

hi
this is Dr amol
i don't want to comment on Raj Thakre's view ,but why the workers of mns are causing damage to our own maharashtra ST buses & public property & thereby causing lots & lots of problems to our maharashtrian public .this is not at all tolarable
We r leaving in democracy & everybody has right to express his views ,but general public should not be affected.

Anonymous said...

hi - I am from Pune, now in USA. India is growing and many have grown with it. Frustation is the cause at the root of it. People want money in minutes and what to comptete with riches shown in movies and the rich environment.

In periods as these, people migrate, without caring their life, in search of quicker money. Same has happened in Maharshtra. The government of Maharashtra should develop more small town than focus on Mumbai, Pune, Nasik, Nagpur, Kolhapur, Aurangabad and Nagar. For what the frustations of Maharashtra government is these migrants come and make it dirty and pollutous. Look around mumbai, such a mess on land, water and air.

For the government of states from where the Migrants come, they should develop their cities creating jobs or put some laws so that population is controlled. Look at UP, WB and Bihar. Lots and Lots of people, no jobs, and educated guys what to migrate where jobs are.

So its the politians who are responsible for Frustation of Raj Thakre. His reaction to this is obivious, method and approach is no good. Politicians like Lalu Prasad, Amar Singh, Mulayam Singh, Kalyan Singh, are good politicians, but have not created long term developmental jobs for their states. Politicians talk and do nothing for their states.

Anonymous said...

I am from Pune, what I feel is Raj thakre is some what correct and somewhat wrong.Supporting marathi people is 100% correct task. However the MNS people are distroying the public assets like buses and STs is wrong.After all who pays for these public assets.
Lot of poeple from outside maharashtra are not respecting marathi culture.They earn in mumbai but dont respect maharashtra. We know UP and Bihar are economically backword states but who are responsible for that? only Govt? No .. Inertia and attitude of state people is also one of the reasons.

I am sure if you ask most of non maharashtrian about shivaji, they wont be able to tell you 10 sentenses about shivaji.I am not talking about non-maharastrians who are born and bought up in maharashtra.

As someone said in comment above ...probably this is happening becuase limit has been crossed and this could be reaction to the action.

Anonymous said...

India is my country and all Indians are my brothers and sisters. I love my country and I am proud of its rich and varied heritage. I shall always strive to be worthy of it. I shall give my parents, teachers and all elders, respect, and treat everyone with courtesy. To my country and my people, I pledge my devotion. In their well being and prosperity alone, lies my happiness.

Did it ring anyone’s bell at all?
Before making any statement in the public I think we should remember what you pledged? becuase we neither should disrespect the pledge nor the nation.

I was born and raised in Pune and now a permanent resident of the United States. I felt very sad and angry after MNS stand over North Indians. I put myself in their situation and perhaps think how I or my family back home would feel if tomorrow a mob of US citizen beat me up off the street in front of my wife and children, because I am not Citizen of their country.

I am 100% Marathi and here is what I want to say. What’s going on in Maharashtra right now clearly shows our political leaders carrying our such activities for their own interest and do not care for the law or anybody. None of the leader is urging his supporters not to become violent and obey the law. Local political leaders use dirty and uncivilized ways of proving their power and creating terror in public’s mind.

This is time when progressing country’s every youth should spend his/her time at least on the personal development if cannot understand bigger and universal issues like global warming, energy and external terrorism where immature marathi youth is going after its own citizen beating them, disobeying laws and destroying public properties. Until all this comes to full stop we should not dream about being superpower in the world and that’s what perhaps our local political leaders truly want.

At the conclusion I would like to remind them the pledge or integrity perhaps it wakes them up.

I solemnly pledge to work with dedication to preserve and strengthen the freedom and integrity of the nation. I further affirm that I shall never resort to violence and that all differences and disputes relating to religion, language, region or other political or economic grievances should be settled by peaceful and constitutional means. In their well being and prosperity alone lies my happiness.
Jai Hind!

Anonymous said...

What Raj Thakre is doing is wrong and political stunt!!!! Did he think about Marathi's who live in other states? What if they are thrown out of there? Will Raj Thakre take resposibility?

Why dont MNS do something about core issues like poverty, hunger, child beggars in mumbai? Why dont they volunteer proactively in keeping Maharashtra clean? Why dont they go to Vidarbha and help suicidal farmers?

sangeeta said...

Raj Thackeray could have voiced his opinions in a better way and not by inciting violence.
I agree that life in mumbai has become terrible due to migration and one cannot claim to be patriotic and not raise these issues,besides its very easy for outsiders to say that mumbai belongs to everyone blah blah butr the fact remains its a part of Maharatra and outsiders better respect the local culture and satate language and not impose .

Anonymous said...

Hello Viewers,
I am very happy to see views of the viewers of this blog. You viewers are absolutely correct and I support your views. Raj Thakre is somewhat correct and somewhat wrong.
Basicaly this so called Mi Marathi issue should have taken up by Shri. Balasaheb Thakre but now he is old and can not do that.
Private news channels did big mistake of provoking marathi people all time.
Private news channels are not ready to highlight problems created by North Indians and Biharis. They are not ready to show the truth but they are interested in giving breaking news to increase TRP. Punekar should take lesson from all this mishappening in Maharashtra and avoid irrisponsible news channels.
Marathi people should take any work and any business without feeling shame and scarecity in their own hometown. This act will stop inviting outsiders to our hometown. We must strictly avoid calling north Indians and Biharis to do our work.

captsubh said...

शिवसेना महाराष्ट्रात सत्तेत असतांना तिने बंगलादेशातून आलेल्या हजारो लोकांना परत पाथवले होते.पण पस्चिम बंगालच्याच सरकारने त्यात खो घातला व त्या रेल्वे गाड्या उलुबेरिया स्टेशनला अडविल्या.
नंतर महाराष्ट्रात सत्तापालंतर झाले व नंतरच्या सरकारने मुंबई व इतर महाराष्ट्राचे दरवाजे खुले आम उघडले!त्यानंतर परप्रांतीयांचे लोंढे आणखी वाढले व कालांतराने आजची लाजिरवाणी परिस्थिती उदभवली जेव्हा आपल्या राजधानीत मराठी माणसांचे घटलेले प्रमाण फ़क्त १८ टक्के शिल्लक आहे!
दूसरे कुठले राज्य असे होउ देइल का? मराठी पुणेकरांचे पुणे आज ४०-५० लाख लोकांचे शहर झाले आहे व त्यात मराठी लोकांचे प्रमाण फ़क्त ३८ टक्क्यावर आले आहे.
पुण्याच्या भविष्यातील अफ़ाट विकासाच्या नांवाखाली येथिल लोकसंख्या आणखी १५-२० वर्षात एक कोटीपर्यंत वाढणार अशी शक्यता आताच वर्तविली जात आहे!असे होइल तेव्हा येथील मराठी माणसांची टक्केवारी १५ %वर उतरलेली असेल!
कितीहि उदार मत असले व भारत हा सर्व भारतीयांसाठी खुला देश असल्याचे या ब्लोगवर कांहीनी नमुद केले असले तरी येथे राहणा-या परप्रांतीयांच्या राज्यात किंवा शहरांत असे झाले तर त्यांना काय वाटेल?
कांही झाले तरी प्रत्येकाला आपल्या मातृराज्याचा/जन्मस्थळाचा/मायभाषेचा अभिमान असतोच,मग तो देशात किंवा परदेशात कुठेहि असो!जेव्हा स्थानिक लोकांना या ना त्या कारणांवरून नोक-यात डावलले जाते[जसे परवाच Income tax Dept ने मुंबईत ४०३ पदांपैकी ३७५ परप्रांतीय निवदले अशी बातमी आली होती!]तेव्हा जंग जंग पछाडून नोक-या न मिळणा-या तरूणांच्या भावनांचा उद्रेक झाला नाही तर नवलच!रेल्वेमध्ये महाराष्ट्रात भरती करण्याकरता लालूंच्या बिहारमधे अर्ज वाटले जातात,पण येथे त्याची वाच्यतापण केली जात नाही यावरून काय निष्कर्ष काढावा?
MNS चे अध्यक्ष राज यांनी उभा केलेल्या मुद्द्यामागे तथ्य आहे,जरी त्यांच्या चळवळीत कांही निरपराध व्यक्तींना किंवा मराठी माणसांनाच भुर्दंड भरावा लागत आहे!महाराष्ट्राच्या कुठल्याहि मालमत्तेला मग ती बस असो किंवा दुकाने असोत इजा न होउ देण्याची खबरदारी घेतलीच पाहिजे व असे होण्यासाठी राजने तसे आदेश काढलेच पाहिजेत!
त्यांचा उद्देश एक व परिणाम दूसराच असे होता कामा नये!
यापुढे तरी आणखी झुंडी येणार नाहेत यासाठी खबरदारी घ्यायला हवी!

Anonymous said...

Bad, real bad for India and Maharashtra. Mumbai is a cosmopolitan city and Pune will become soon like Mumbai. That’s because of growth and non-Marathis are contributing equally to the development of Mumbai, Pune and Maharashtra. Who all will Raj throw out? He is just talking of labourers. What about the businesses, high official posts in Maharashtra. They are occupied by non-Marathis more than Marathis. Is his caliber and extend of wisdom is limited to laborer jobs? Migration is actually good for any region, called globalization. USA is a superpower only because of migration. Raj Thakray should be ashamed of himself and is simply not intelligent enough to understand the mechanics of globalization.

Anonymous said...

I am assal Maratha, as most of the viewers find it necessary to pledge to make their point go through!! Raj Thakray thinks dumb and looks dumb too. He is nothing but goonda. All politicians are goondas. That’s why decent intellectuals like me are forced to leave India and settle abroad. Goodagardi is in our blood and Raj is just proving it. What is he up to, a civil war? Intellectuals have no place in India, it’s ruled by political Goondas. It’s pathetic. Raja Shivaji, whom I pray and went to school by his divine name everyday, didn’t teach this. We are Marathas and believe in self respect and confidence. This is not the way to show that.

Anonymous said...

Guys, I read all the comments above, but no one has mentioned a thing abt the reason why its happening, its not a marathi or non marathi issue, its abt the illiteracy, and unemployment in India. Why does only India have so many riots? coz of illiteracy leading to overpopulation leading to unemployment leading to poverty and then leading to all riots, based on religion, region, caste n creed.
If all the youngsters are diverted towards a good cause, our country will lead the whole world. If these young workers of party had some work to do, I dont think they would have time to act like this. So I would urge to everyone here, that lets not just discuss, act on it, do something for the people to educate them, so that we can avoid having such future incidents. Prevention is better than cure.

Anonymous said...

illiteracy is not really the issue, if you look at the pictures of rioters you think they never went to school? Did they not learn national pledge which says their happiness lies in the prosperity of Indians? Of course they did. Root cause of all problems is our leaders, who should guide the supporters to work for nation’s interest, pay attention to the personal development and be honest and learn professionalism.

Either leaders are not mature enough to understand benefits of a developed country or they know all but just acting dumb because they won’t be personally benefited from such work and period no other reason. The situation will only change when mature and honest leaders would born in our country because expecting present leaders to change their mentality is too optimistic and so India will remain third world country until then. Third world country is synonym for riots, corruption, poverty high crime, homeless people and many more. Now if you want to talk about changing our country’s leadership that the whole different topic beyond this blogger.

captsubh said...

Time to look beyond politics & personalities!
राज ठाकरे यांची विचारसरणी योग्य असली तरी निती जरी थोडी चूकत आहे.
अर्थात त्याहिमागे जावून परप्रांतीयांना महाराष्ट्रात थारा काय कारणामुळे मिळत असतो त्याची मूळ कारणेपण पडताळून पाहिली पाहिजेत.
१]परप्रांतीय येथे येतात त्याचे एकमेव कारण त्यांच्या राज्यात नोक-या वा कामधंदे उपलब्ध नाहीत हे नाहीं!
२]कांही मराठी बेरोजगार तरूण माणसांना जरी कामावर ठेवले तरी त्यांच्यात कामचूकारपणाची,वरच्यावर सुट्ट्या घेण्याची वा बुट्ट्या मारण्याची प्रवृत्ती प्रकर्षाने आढळून येते.
सणासुदीत व कुणीतरी "मयत" झाले अशा क्षुल्लक कारणांवरून काम अर्धवट सोडून जाणे,त्यासाठी मालकाची परवानगी न घेणे अशा वर्तणुकीमुळे त्यांचे मालक परप्रांतीयांकडे वळू लागतात!
३]बहुतांशी मराठी माणसांत पांढरपेशा नोक-यांनाच प्राधान्य दिले जाते व ते स्वतःच्या हिंमतीवर धंदा सुरू करणे वा चालविणे याच्या फ़ंदात पडत नाहित!
४]एकमेकांना मदत करण्याऐवजी प्रगतीपथावर असलेल्याच्या टांगा खेचण्याची प्रवृत्तीपण मराठी माणसांचाच घात करते त्याचा फ़ायदा एकजूट असलेल्या परप्रांतीयांनाच होतो!
५]परप्रांतीयांना आपल्या राज्यात परत जावून रोजगार मिळण्याची शाश्वती नसल्यामुळे ते येथे नेटाने व अहोरात्र कामे करायला तयार असतात व "भटाला दिली ओसरी,भट हातपाय पसरी" या मराठी म्हणीप्रमाणेच कष्टाने मिळवलेले पैसे खर्च न करता कनवठीला लावतात व हळूहळू बाडबिस्तरा पसरवितात!
६]ब-याच स्थानिक मराठी माणसांना वडिलोपार्जित घर व साह्य असल्यामुळे ती मंडळी इतकी फ़िकीरीत नसतात.शिवाय एका ठराविक वर्गातल्या ब-याच तरूण कामगारांना लवकरच दारू,सिगरेट,तंबाखूची व्यसने लागतात ज्यायोगे त्यांनी कष्टाने मिळवलेले पैसे उडवले जातात!
व्यसनाधिनतेमुळे त्यांचे कामातले कसब व लक्षहि लवकरच कमी होते व त्यांची जागा परप्रांतीय घेतात!
७]अविरत कष्ट करायची मानसिकता असलेले व व्यसनाच्या आहारी न गेलेले मराठी कामगारमात्र कामे वर्षनवर्षे योग्य तर्हेने करत मालकाचा व स्वतःचा खूप फ़ायदा करतात व टिकून राहू शकतात!
८]आजच्या मितीला निरनिराळ्या स्तरांवरील मराठी माणसांनी आपली जागा राखून ठेवण्याकरता जास्तीतजास्त शिकून व अफ़ाट कष्ट करून आपली लायकी वाढवली/सिद्ध करून दाखवली तर परप्रांतीयांना थारा द्यायची गरज पडणार नाही व त्यांचे लोंढे आपोआपच कमी/बंद होतील! तसेच राजकारणी पक्षांना/व्यक्तींना "Fishing in troubled waters" च्या संधी कमी मिळतील!
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Anonymous said...

I feel bad about the comment from VJ. He says that he live in mumbai for 19 yrs & still feel he is North Indian & not marathi. If somebody feels like that after spending so many yrs in maharashtar then how he can expect the people from mumbai be supportive to him. My advice is to VJ is that stop feeling like you are north indian though it is hard. Try to enjoy what mumbai is offering to you. If everybody who migrates to mumbai stop thinking that he is outsider then only he will care about mumbai & marathi. Then Amarsigh like polititians will not dare to come to mumbai & Raj will not have point to fight. Stop looking at mumbai as cashing machine try to look it more like your motherland.

rahul said...

Clashes occur when there is disrespect shown, injustice done. According to me, the violence in Maharashtra is of this type. In India, migrated population should respect to local people. Be it a work place or public place. for eg. A dominant group of Biharis or north indians shouldn't torture, trouble a poor or helpless maharashtrian. Behaving in a polite manner, will establish a feeling of brotherhood amongst us. that's one of the possible solution.